What founders wanted?

2012-04-20T00:00:00Z What founders wanted?By Barbara Rush, letter to the editor Helena Independent Record

The Common Core Standards for our schools seem to have come in under the radar. Is everyone aware that Montana has now joined a national curriculum? Just like in any dictatorship, our curriculums will now be decided by a national, not a local or state, forum. When Bill Clinton tried to get this done, Congress turned him down, so this time the Obama administration went through a back door by having the State Governors Association and the School Chiefs Association sponsor it. Federal grants were offered under the Race to the Top program. Also, joining a curriculum that was connected to the other states was required to get waivers from No Child Left Behind, which everyone needed because they couldn’t pass the tests and were facing school closures. The comprehensive health curriculum is already in the Common Core Standards under literacy. A national curriculum allows the social engineers to put whatever they want into our schools to influence our youth in anyway they choose. Is this what freedom is about? Is this fair to parents who don’t have the option to opt out of public schools because they can’t afford it? Is this fair to taxpayers who are supposed to be funding a basic education? Our founders, for obvious reasons, did not give the authority over schools to the federal government. Are the Common Core Standards what they had in mind?

Barbara Rush


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(28) Comments

  1. Curmudgeon
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    Curmudgeon - April 27, 2012 3:57 pm
    "I have sworn upon the alter of God eternal enmity to every form of tyranny oer the mind of man..."

    and then,

    "...We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal..."

    Those are the words of Thomas Jefferson, certainly one of our FOUNDERS and definitely one who contributed to the creation of our Constitution.

    But I've never stopped wondering: why did he never free Sally Hemings? (The Black slave with whom he had several children.) Why did this undoubtedly Great man never manumit his own slaves?

    One Jefferson biographer, Fawn Brody, called him "...a first-rate mind in a deeply flawed personality."

    While filled with admiration for him and all our FOUNDERS, I am not one to worship uncritically at their feet, nor to say their thoughts, desires, expectations, are holy dogma set in concrete for all time.
  2. dietz1963
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    dietz1963 - April 25, 2012 3:48 pm
    I don't think the founding fathers envisioned an "anything goes" society nor an one with hundreds of thousands of laws. But as usual, we go from one extreme to another and make a feeble attempt to understand a culture not one of us lived in back in the day.
  3. Curmudgeon
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    Curmudgeon - April 25, 2012 2:42 pm
    It really doesn't matter "what our founders wanted", some two-and-a-quarter centuries ago. That's why they were wise enough, smart enough, far-seeing enough, to provide us with mechanisms for adjusting our laws to meet changing circumstances.

    If Ms. Rush wishes to march bravely forward into the 18th Century, I wish her a happy journey.

    But, as the Germans say, "ohne mich".
  4. Riamh
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    Riamh - April 23, 2012 2:13 pm
    Ooops.. forgot to post the link to Barb Rush's greatest hits.


  5. Riamh
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    Riamh - April 23, 2012 2:10 pm
    patriot said: "Always love those, I miss Bill clinton comments. Most seem to forget his budget policies were enacted and dictated by a republican dominated legislature for six of his eight years in office. "

    What Clinton should REALLY be remembered for is his deregulation of the banks, you know the REAL reason our country's in deep today.
  6. Riamh
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    Riamh - April 23, 2012 2:07 pm
    I know I've posted this link before.. but, For your reading enjoyment, I give you Barbara Rush's Greatest Hits. If you like extreme right wing rants, paranoia, and scare tactics Ms. Rush is definitely the speaker for you!
  7. Curmudgeon
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    Curmudgeon - April 23, 2012 1:39 pm
    Getting back to the subject of Ms. Rush's original letter, don't look now, but...


  8. dietz1963
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    dietz1963 - April 23, 2012 1:38 pm
    Bearpaws, military has steadily declined since about 1989. Those of us that served know this, particularily when we went back into Iraq and Afghanistan essentially at the same time, 50 to 60% augmentation was (and still is) the Guard. Hard to say by needing that much augmentation that regular military hasn't suffered. As far as Congress "not knowing" we might have a huge attack on U.S. soil, bogus. They just didn't want to believe it.

    As far as Clinton, I think his administration did benefit by the BRAC which hit the military real hard between 1988-1992 which of course carries on today, but the biggest hit was during those first 4 years. Those that served in that time remember, the slogan was "take the money and run" because folks were getting (or close to getting) kicked out of the military to make the end numbers. Lots of savings, both in costs to run the bases and personnel. He also played a shell game with finances, not uncommon in the Government to "change the color of money", pull funds from one pot into another. Most of the funding was shifted out of Social Security because some brain childs saw a surplus.
  9. bearpaws
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    bearpaws - April 23, 2012 10:11 am
    Military left in shambles??? That's funny. Ridiculously funny. Patriot, YOU left America defenseless to attack on our shores, along with a million false patriots who enabled Cheney-Bush to bumble along. In 1999 I found three weather balloons in Central MT. I joked that they were probably flown to our American soil by Osama Bin Laden. Nobody had a clue what I was talking about. Nobody even knew who Osama Bin Laden was. And three years later, FALSE PATRIOTS were gloating, "Clinton had him in his sights." FALSE PATRIOTS woke up one day and the towers were on fire. Clueless, totally surprised and clueless.
  10. Independentminded
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    Independentminded - April 23, 2012 10:09 am
    patriot patriot patriot I love how you tell the truth but not all the truth. Yes President Clinton did reduce the military budget under his administration but majority of the budgets sent to Clinton were from a republican legislature that created and passed the budgets, therefore reducing the military budget was a bi-partisan decision. The majority of the cuts came from mothballing old navy ships I guess if we had those old ships we could have stopped al qaeda's terrorist attacks.
  11. Limber
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    Limber - April 22, 2012 9:31 pm
    Patriot, that is a very interesting claim. Where did you get this alleged fact that the "[Clinton Administration] left the military in shambles and left America defenseless to an attack on our shores?" I would have thought that the 9-11 comission would have mentioned that. They seemed instead to suggest that the Bush administration simply couldn't imagine such an attack, even though Richard Clark (a Clinton holdover) tried desparately to warn them. No serious patriot that I know of has stooped so low as to blame Bush for 9-11, and hinting that Clinton is somehow to blame is disgustingly anti-American in my opinion. Clinton kept after bin-Laden in spite of his political distrations. He told Bush that bin-Laden was the #1 threat, and that they needed to follow up. Bush thanked him, and then promptly ignored the advice, believing that the real dangers were the famous axis of evil. (this is the testimony of Richard Clark). Got any other alleged facts? Cite them if they exist. Mine is the 9-11 commission report. Interesting read.
  12. patriot
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    patriot - April 22, 2012 6:32 pm
    catspaw, I am just stating the facts. Clinton came to office as the world of technology was about to explode in growth, the economy was on the upswing for a few years. Even with all his personal issues he managed to stay afloat. Republicans were in control of congress, maybe a minor fact bt they did abide their constitutional responsibilities, wrore a budget and passed in congress and subsequently signed by Clinton. And a balanced budget at that. toward the end of his term, the dot com world began to falter. Millions of investors lost their savings, he left office in a recession after failing in his personal life. Left the military is shambles and left America defenseless to an attack on our shores. You have your heroes I have mine and no president of any party for the last 100 years is on that list.
  13. catspaw
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    catspaw - April 22, 2012 3:11 pm
    patriot said: "Always love those, I miss Bill clinton comments. Most seem to forget his budget policies were enacted and dictated by a republican dominated legislature for six of his eight years in office. "

    I thought Clinton played a shell game with the finances. At least that was your token comment when we engaged in an earlier article. Now its our beloved GOP that did the trick? Then took the country downward (purposely) after Clinton left office? Wow, I am confused.

    This is weak bush league non-sence patriot. Your better than this.
  14. MichaelS
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    MichaelS - April 22, 2012 9:12 am
    the american public school system and taxpayer assisted "race to the bottom".
  15. patriot
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    patriot - April 22, 2012 7:34 am
    Always love those, I miss Bill clinton comments. Most seem to forget his budget policies were enacted and dictated by a republican dominated legislature for six of his eight years in office.
  16. Limber
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    Limber - April 21, 2012 3:14 pm
    Common core standards are developed by representatives from the various states to provide standardization and prevent chaos. In our republic, we call that democratic process. It is mutually beneficial. We could exercise our freedom and go our own way if we choose to. But why stop there? Let’s decide for ourselves how many ounces in a Montana pound, and how many feet in a Montana mile, how wide to make the rails on our train tracks. And while we're at it, let's pass a law making it illegal to charge more than $1.90 for a gallon of gasoline? It is the same logic! Barb: ignorance in pursuit of liberty may be noble, but it is still ignorance!
  17. Motorchild
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    Motorchild - April 20, 2012 8:19 pm
    What's the matter with you, Catspaw.... don't you know how to spell gubbamint???
  18. catspaw
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    catspaw - April 20, 2012 7:52 pm

    This is the exact reasoning that led to your and your cohorts respective downfalls last school board elections by wide margins. Conspiracy theory and scare tactics. Keep the tinfoil hat on so the "guvmint" cant see into your brain and steal your ideas.

  19. Motorchild
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    Motorchild - April 20, 2012 7:08 pm
    There's a clear distinction between the United States of America and a Federal United States. What our country remains as or becomes is up to us.
  20. WalleyeHunter
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    WalleyeHunter - April 20, 2012 6:53 pm
    You mean the Bill Clinton that created a budget surplus, a decade of economic growth, and a tax rebate?

    What a commie.

    I suppose that the NATIONAL rifle association is OK though?
  21. Motorchild
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    Motorchild - April 20, 2012 6:52 pm
    Federal money ALWAYS comes with strings attatched. The only way for us to claim the sovereignty that's ours as a state is to pay for our own needs.
  22. dietz1963
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    dietz1963 - April 20, 2012 3:13 pm
    Finland huh. Smaller then the state of Montana and doesn't have anywhere close the population of the U.S. If "nationalization" is so great, then how come each individual european country (each smaller then some U.S. states) aren't all on the same page? Each country teaches different. Each state in the U.S. should also decide different.
  23. PLG
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    PLG - April 20, 2012 9:36 am
    Strange group of comments: Yes it was recognized that a core curriculum standard was necessary nationwide. Mainly because of the interstate movement of families looking for work, but also because of the Christian Church dominance on some school boards dictating pro-Christen subjects for some states; particularly in the southeast and Kansas.

    The core standards were them developed by the Bush Administration and required to pass the tests under the No Student Left Behind Law.

    Finland’s system is a good example since their students consistently test highest in the world. In every modern nation worldwide, except in the USA, this issue like healthcare is decided on a national scale and has proven to be more successful when the consistency is there.
  24. justme59601
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    justme59601 - April 20, 2012 8:58 am
    barbara, how dare you give us facts that make the libs look bad. see, walrus is already raising his ugly head spewing the hatred.
  25. Independentminded
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    Independentminded - April 20, 2012 8:34 am
    We should model our school system like Finland's school system!
  26. dietz1963
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    dietz1963 - April 20, 2012 8:33 am
    Sign of the times. Seems some parents aren't able to bring up their kids so naturally someone else needs to do it for them. Then, when its not done correctly by someone else, watch for that lawsuit....

    Hatrack71, I agree with you in part. Problem is, seems that what some people want.
  27. hatrack71
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    hatrack71 - April 20, 2012 5:13 am
    Here we go, the Feds want to brainwash all the kids in the US to be good little communists. What is happening to this country is a real tragedy. People, we need to open our eyes to the constant overstepping and power grabbing by the Feds. Enough is enough!
  28. TheWalrus
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    TheWalrus - April 20, 2012 12:52 am
    Let me guess: You're outraged that you aren't allowed to indoctrinate children with your narrow religious dogma. Evolution, sex education, the "round earth" theory...

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