Montana high school students say they are drinking alcohol less frequently and using seat belts more when driving, but report being bullied more by fellow students, a survey released by the state Office of Public Instruction on Wednesday shows.

Half the students also said they had texted or sent e-mails while driving the previous 30 days, while 53 percent said they had talked on a cell phone while driving. It was the first time these questions have been asked in the survey.

The survey also notes that the number of high-schoolers who have used marijuana in their lifetime is down from 42.2 percent in 2009 to 39.2 percent in 2011.

The Youth Risk Behavior Survey polled 4,148 high school students in 46 randomly selected Montana high schools in February. It’s compiled from a 93-item questionnaire developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The self-reporting survey of students is administered by the state Office of Public Instruction in February of odd numbered years, under a cooperative agreement with the CDC.

State Superintendent Denise Juneau said the survey “reminds us how important it is to continually engage youth in frank conversations about risky behaviors.”

“It also gives us an opportunity to confront our biggest challenges in ensuring the safety of our young people and highlights the efforts of effective programs whose messages are reaching students,” she said.

The survey found significant decreases in alcohol abuse by high school students since 2009.

The percentage of students who said they have had at least one drink of alcohol during the past 30 days dropped to 38 percent this year from 43 percent in 2009 and 58 percent in 1999. Likewise, the percentage of students who reported binge drinking, or having five or more drinks of alcohol in a row, during the past 30 days dropped to 25 percent this year from 30 percent in 2009.

There was no change in the percentage of students who reported using methamphetamines during their life. The 2011 survey found that 3 percent had used meth, the same percentage as in 2009, but it was down from 14 percent in 1999.

Results showed that 13 percent of students said they never or rarely wore a seat belt when driving a car, or about the same percentage as in 2009, but down from 20 percent in 2003.

The percentage of students who drove a car after drinking dropped to 11 percent in 2011, down from 12 percent in 2009 from 22 percent in 2001.

Those students who have tried cigarette smoking dropped to 44 percent in 2011, down from 50 percent in 2011 and 70 percent in 1999.

For the second year in the survey, students were asked about bullying and cyber-bullying. In 2011, 26 percent of students said they had been bullied on school property the past 12 months, an increase over the 23 percent in the 2009 survey.

Nineteen percent said in 2011 they had been electronically bullied, such as through email, chat rooms, instant messaging, websites or text-messaging the past 12 months. That’s up from 18 percent in 2009.

“Bullying continues to remain a major issue for Montana students and requires actions by administrators, teachers, parents and policymakers,” Juneau said.

The number of high-schoolers reporting marijuana use in their life peaked in 2001 at 46.7 percent. That number dropped to a low mark of 39.1 percent in 2007 before rising a bit to 42.2 percent in 2007 and falling again at 39.2 percent this year.

Those who said they’ve used marijuana during the past 30 days dropped to 21.2 percent in 2011 from 23 percent in 2009. The peak year in that category was also 2001, at 27.1 percent.

However, the percentage of students who said they were offered, sold or given an illegal drug on school property during the past 12 months increased to 25 percent in 2011, up from 21 percent in 2009 but down from 30 percent in 1999.

Montana voters in 2004 approved a ballot measure allowing the use of medical marijuana.

Asked for the first time about prescription drug abuse, more than 18 percent of high school students reported taking a prescription drug without a doctor’s prescription.

As for sexual behavior, 48 percent of students reported they had had sexual intercourse, about the same figure as in 2009 and an increase from the 43 percent in 1999. Nearly 35 percent said they had had sexual intercourse during the past three months, an increase from 32 percent in the 2009 survey.

Of those currently sexually active, 62 percent said they used a condom during their last sexual intercourse, down from 68 percent from 2009. About 21 percent of sexually active students said they used birth control bills before their last sexual intercourse, down from 27 percent in 2009.

The 1999-2011 Montana High School Trend Report can be found here: http://www.opi.mt.gov/pdf/YRBS/11/Trend/11Trend_HS.pdf">http://www.opi.mt.gov/pdf/YRBS/11/Trend/11Trend_HS.pdf

(36) comments

Bug

To the member of Safe Community Safe Kids....

These statistics prove what the cannabis patients have been insisting the entire session. Illegal teen marijuana use is DOWN despite the "threat" you have perceived medical cannabis to be to your communities.

If you had taken the time to research instead of spreading hysterical misinformation, you would see that this is also a true statistic in EVERY SINGLE medical cannabis state that has had medical cannabis long enough to have state statistics regarding teen usage.

You should note that on average, teenagers are willing to listen and learn from rational, truthful and factual discussions about drugs--both illegal and legal. When Reefer Madness hysteria is used to attempt to "scare kids clean" you lose their trust and their respect. I believe that these statistics prove that honest education about drugs is more valuable and influential than fear mongering prohibitionist propaganda. Your kids know you are lying to them when you tell them that cannabis is a gateway drug, kills your brain etc.

When medical cannabis is taught to children to be a medication, it loses the illicit thrill that illegal drugs have. It is not as interesting nor as appealing. Honest education goes so much further than lies!!

Please do not continue to blame your failures as parents on medical patients.

justme59601

[quote]Bug said: "To the member of Safe Community Safe Kids....These statistics prove what the cannabis patients have been insisting the entire session. Illegal teen marijuana use is DOWN despite the "threat" you have perceived medical cannabis to be to your communities. If you had taken the time to research instead of spreading hysterical misinformation, you would see that this is also a true statistic in EVERY SINGLE medical cannabis state that has had medical cannabis long enough to have state statistics regarding teen usage. You should note that on average, teenagers are willing to listen and learn from rational, truthful and factual discussions about drugs--both illegal and legal. When Reefer Madness hysteria is used to attempt to "scare kids clean" you lose their trust and their respect. I believe that these statistics prove that honest education about drugs is more valuable and influential than fear mongering prohibitionist propaganda. Your kids know you are lying to them when you tell them that cannabis is a gateway drug, kills your brain etc. When medical cannabis is taught to children to be a medication, it loses the illicit thrill that illegal drugs have. It is not as interesting nor as appealing. Honest education goes so much further than lies!! Please do not continue to blame your failures as parents on medical patients. "[/quote]

all I can really say is LOL

oh and i've got some ocean front property in Kansas you'd probably be interested in.

luvpups
luvpups

Totally agree with bug!!!! i was just going to make pretty much the same comment and i am so glad that teen drug use is down!

Shenanigans
Shenanigans


"The survey also notes that the number of high-schoolers who have used marijuana in their lifetime is down from 42.2 percent in 2009 to 39.2 percent in 2011."

Well thank gosh we have a legislative system that relies on emotions and LIES instead of pesky facts.

Hmmm, so why aren't Cherrie Brady, Jeff Essmann, Mike Milburn et al arrested for perjury, obstruction of justice and sedition? (hint) Tea Party, now's your chance to show us you ACTUALLY believe in holding LYING politicians who molest our legislative process ACCOUNTABLE!

Twangs

Thanks Bug, excellent posting. I've read that nationally marijuana use among teens is down even more. Too bad nobody bothered to check into the wild claims from SCSK while the legislature was busy overturning the voters.

Curmudgeon

Bug said: "These statistics prove..."

Wrong. Statistics PROVE nothing. They may INDICATE something, but they are never actual proof.

Anytime I read/hear "Statistics prove...", I know one of two things for sure: (1) the writer/speaker knows nothing of the science of statistics, or (2) the writer/speaker is lying.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." (Mark Twain).

Proverb: figures can't lie, but liars can figure.

Riamh
Riamh

Spot on Bug! I find it very interesting to see an article that plainly points out what I have been saying all along. The perceived problem with cannabis was manufactured by people with an agenda. The facts are in now. Thanks IR for printing this story!

So this is

It's interesting to see that when alcohol and marijuana become more readily available for teenagers and under age persons, that it becomes less abused.

Man, makes me wonder what would happen if alcohol ever became illegal? hmmm

dolphind3

"When pot is taught to children that it is a medication it loses its thrill and allure"???? What are you smoking???

mtcabins

kids are learning to not trust our government or authorities. dont ask, dont tell! if the outstanding christian tea toddlers want to put a stop to drinking and drug use, put a stop to the sale, period! stop this .08 and wall street drugs. get real people. address suicides and i bet u fine the law or abuse of is behind 50% of them. case in point, man comes home to find wife doing the colonel,man tells guy to leave and slaps wife. man gets restraining order and looses house and most rights under our Constitution. (HELENA 1999)

Twangs

Thank you IR for running the entire article. The Missoulian and the Billings Gazette edited out the entire paragraph regarding teen marijuana use being down. Now there some fine objective journalism for you!

thatsjustme
thatsjustme

As I've said before, a little education goes a long way. It's not perfect, but it's an improvement and also indicates that medical marijuana has made no impact on teen usage (but some of us already knew that). Now if the kids would be kind and respectful towards others...

Kudos to parents, caregivers, and educators who are making a difference!

Bug

[quote]Curmudgeon said: "Bug said: "These statistics prove..."Wrong. Statistics PROVE nothing. They may INDICATE something, but they are never actual proof.Anytime I read/hear "Statistics prove...", I know one of two things for sure: (1) the writer/speaker knows nothing of the science of statistics, or (2) the writer/speaker is lying."There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." (Mark Twain).Proverb: figures can't lie, but liars can figure."[/quote]

Wrong. I may have used a word that you disagreed with, but I sure as heck did NOT lie about a single thing I posted, nor am I ignorant of science or statistics. I am so sorry that my one word was disagreeable to you.....would you like to explain why my statement was a lie which deserved those quotes??

You know, it may be just an indication if it was ONLY Montana which had seen a drop in teen drug use since legalizing medical cannabis. But it's not. Every single state that has medical cannabis laws has seen a distinct drop in illegal teen drug use. To me, that proves prohibitionist WRONG no matter how you slice it.

JUSTDAFACTS
JUSTDAFACTS

You have to love the good news but some seem to mix up a reduction in these unsound behaviors and a lack of them.
For instance: over half the students Texted or e-mailed while driving a car during the past 30 days.

Almost one quarter of them carried a weapon such as a gun, knife, or club during the past 30 days.

16.5 percent smoked a cigarette on one or more of the past 30 days.

Almost 40 percent had at least one drink of alcohol during the past 30 days

39.4 percent used marijuana during their life.

The news about reductions of these bad behaviors among high schoolers is good to hear but let’s not pretend 40 percent of these children having used pot or alcohol is some kind of success story.

hiddenmuggle

doesn't it bother anyone that nearly 15% of our students say they have had no information on the spread of HIV?!?!?! Sexual activity is staying the same while contraceptive use is dropping!

Shenanigans
Shenanigans

hiddenmuggle, I'm bothered by that number too. After what the christian theocrats pulled this legislative session and are still pulling in congress, sadly the number is about to rise even higher. There is a well funded effort by the christiban to demonize and destroy organizations such as Planned Parenthood that actually provide fact based education to our state and nation's adolescents. Perhaps not surprisingly, Cherrie Brady and SCSKs also seek to eliminate fact based sexual education and insert faith based distortion- http://safecommunitysafekids.org/

But as far as SB423, the release of this teen survey is nothing short of the smoking gun proving Jeff Essmann and his co-conspirators were very willing to spare no lie as a means to their end. For the love of our republic, since when do Americans, no less Montanans allow our democratic principles to be so mercilessly subverted?

Finally, I too appreciate how the IR did not scrub this important story such as the Gazette and Missoulian so shamelessly did, but it is strange given all three papers are Lee Enterprise publications.

Bug

[quote]hiddenmuggle said: "doesn't it bother anyone that nearly 15% of our students say they have had no information on the spread of HIV?!?!?! Sexual activity is staying the same while contraceptive use is dropping!"[/quote]

Yes, it is a big concern. The same honesty that kids respect when you speak to them honestly about drug use, tobacco, and alcohol must be applied to sex, too.

dolphind3

This is only accurate if all of the polled youths were honest. I have a feeling there are those that would still lie for fear of getting caught

Curmudgeon

Bug said: "...would you like to explain why my statement was a lie which deserved those quotes??"

No, I wouldn't, because I never said you were lying. I offered a couple of options, and lying was #2. I'm still sure of Option #1, you know nothing of the science OF statistics. I offered the options (and the quotes) to all and sundry as a caution to not put any deep faith in statistics, no matter how respectable the pollster's reputation..

I never said you wefe grinding your axe dishonestly. Feeling a bit defensive?

I agree 100% that Prohibition is WRONG and ineffective -- we tried that with alcohol some 80-90 years ago, and all it did was make criminals rich.

Riamh
Riamh

[quote]So this is said: "It's interesting to see that when alcohol and marijuana become more readily available for teenagers and under age persons, that it becomes less abused.Man, makes me wonder what would happen if alcohol ever became illegal? hmmm"[/quote]

Alcohol was once illegal, the temperance movements had their way, and from 1920 until 1933, alcohol was illegalunder federal law. Interestingly enough, Doctors were given authority to dispense alcohol for medicinal purposes! The results of that prohibition era, gangsters became rich, and powerful, and the enforcement arms of the government became as corrupt as the gangsters they were charged with apprehending. Sound familiar? It's going on today, it's called the "War on Drugs". The first Prohibition failed as both unenforceable, and undesireable. Just as prohibition of cannabis is proving today. More and more people each day support outright legalization of cannabis.

Riamh
Riamh

[quote]dolphind3 said: "This is only accurate if all of the polled youths were honest. I have a feeling there are those that would still lie for fear of getting caught"[/quote]

Do you really mean to tell me that kids today are more afraid of being caught than the kids 5, 10 or even 20 years ago? Give me a break! If anything kids today are more brazen about what they are up to than ever before! As Curmudgeon points out, this survey isn't "proof" but it's a pretty good indicator that this "problem with cannabis" was manufactured. You were duped, and you believed Cherie Brady and Herr Essmann. They told us, "playgrounds are knee deep in weed" .. and that high school girls were prostituting themselves for pot". Clearly, we were all lied to. None of this was true.
Is it any wonder why many disbelieve in what we are told? This data goes back to well before I-148 took effect!

Riamh
Riamh

[quote]Curmudgeon said: "Bug said: "...would you like to explain why my statement was a lie which deserved those quotes??"No, I wouldn't, because I never said you were lying. I offered a couple of options, and lying was #2. I'm still sure of Option #1, you know nothing of the science OF statistics. I offered the options (and the quotes) to all and sundry as a caution to not put any deep faith in statistics, no matter how respectable the pollster's reputation..I never said you wefe grinding your axe dishonestly. Feeling a bit defensive?I agree 100% that Prohibition is WRONG and ineffective -- we tried that with alcohol some 80-90 years ago, and all it did was make criminals rich."[/quote]

You've made great points Curmudgeon, I found your caution regarding statistics to be wise. I agree with you 100% on prohibition. It made criminals out of regular people, and it made the worst kind of criminals rich and powerful. The same thing is happening today in the "war on drugs" it never ceases to amaze me that mankind refuses to learn from the mistakes of the past. Man's appetites cannot be controlled through legislation, and to even try to do so goes against the principles our country was founded on. (quoting Abe Lincoln here, paraphrased)

So this is

[quote]Riamh said: "Alcohol was once illegal, the temperance movements had their way, and from 1920 until 1933, alcohol was illegalunder federal law. Interestingly enough, Doctors were given authority to dispense alcohol for medicinal purposes! The results of that prohibition era, gangsters became rich, and powerful, and the enforcement arms of the government became as corrupt as the gangsters they were charged with apprehending. Sound familiar? It's going on today, it's called the "War on Drugs". The first Prohibition failed as both unenforceable, and undesireable. Just as prohibition of cannabis is proving today. More and more people each day support outright legalization of cannabis. "[/quote]


Yes, Prohibition. That was the little sarcastic jab I was trying to make. Though the lack of the font "Sarcastica" makes it tough to determine when sarcasm is being used. But I completely agree that's what is happening today with cannabis, which is why I made the the "illegal alcohol" reference. There is no doubt in my mind that, at least in my life time, I will see the legalization of cannabis.

dolphind3

No break riam and the only one doing the duping is you. I am out and about in our fair city and see our issues first hand.There are many problems and not just pot. Quit waving your one hand and then trying to slap people with the other. I stopped falling for that as a child. Creating fear is a great tactic used by you though

JVH77

I was all set to make a triumphant return to disproving the misinformation perpetrated by our legislators and a select few fellow posters, but as it turns out there doesn't seem to be any need. This compelling argument was put forth by Justme59601:

"all I can really say is LOL

oh and i've got some ocean front property in Kansas you'd probably be interested in."

While perhaps an amusing reply (if you happen to think cliche's are funny), it certainly doesn't come close to refuting any of the claims it was aimed at. And my old friend dolphind3 offers this gem:

"When pot is taught to children that it is a medication it loses its thrill and allure"???? What are you smoking???

Again very funny (if you enjoy that type of humor), but nothing close to an argument. And his/her assumption that the students must have been lying would be a sound argument were it based on anything at all. But since it's not, or at least not anything the rest of us are privy to, then I can only dismiss it as the "feeling" of someone trying to rationalize information clearly contrary to their viewpoint.

Unfounded accusations and poor attempts at humor are certainly fun to throw around, they just don't make for a compelling argument.

JUSTDAFACTS raises some very valid concerns, all of which I share. It's nice to be able to agree with someone I haven't always seen eye to eye with. I suspect we're still at odds on the bigger picture, but I always applaud logical thinking.

I won't be holding my breath for a retraction coming from anyone at the capitol, but at least they're getting called out to some degree.

Riamh
Riamh

[quote]dolphind3 said: "No break riam and the only one doing the duping is you. I am out and about in our fair city and see our issues first hand.There are many problems and not just pot. Quit waving your one hand and then trying to slap people with the other. I stopped falling for that as a child. Creating fear is a great tactic used by you though"[/quote]

and just how, pray tell, do I create fear? I present logical arguments, and point out mindless bigotry as I see it. When I present facts, I make sure they're easily backed up. All you do is try to inflict more stigma on pro cannabis people and on people who just believe we ought to have a right to choose. Your beloved Cherie Brady and Jeff Essmann Lied to ALL of us. You were just gullible enough to believe them. Keep Preaching.

dolphind3

@Jvh, Well your wrong again. I did a little researching talking to some teenagers that took the survey. They admitted to being less than honest for reasons ranging from not wanting to mess up college to their parents finding out. Guess what....alot of them did things that were in the survey including your precious pot. I mentioned that it was anonymous and they said not worth the risk. So that proves my point. You can believe what you want(you will anyway). These are never exact surveys. Hell we took these surveys in highschool and most I knew lied too.
@ Riam, no sir or lady or what ever you are. You try to intimidate by calling names. I am glad that there is a place for you pro pot people to come vent as there is no way you would talk to people like this to their faces. I say pot because most of you have moved beyond the MM arguement straight to total legalization. There are stats all over the net to credit both sides of the arguement that have validity. I am not going to sit here and say that all of the things that support MM are lies, they are not. But the crap out there that spouts that pot is a benign plant and has no long term problems is a lot of who shot John.

belle517

After reading all the comments on this article, I find it rather funny that there were several naysayers that couldn’t help but chime in:

Justme59601 – just laugh at bug and offer up a bogus real estate proposition.

Curmudgeon – argue about the difference between statistics “proving” or “indicating” something.

Dolphind3 – attack bug for his grammar, call the kids that were polled liars and accuse Riamh of using fear tactics (if that’s not the pot calling the kettle black!)

Justdafacts – tell everyone how even a reduction in these behaviors is not a success.

While in a way, I agree with Justdafacts, we need to be careful how we criticize. When I was in middle/high school it didn’t matter if I brought home an honor roll report card or straight C’s, my parents ALWAYS said to me “you could make straight A’s if you just applied yourself”, I NEVER heard “good job” or “way to go” even for honor roll. So, where was the incentive to apply myself since it seemed like anything less than perfection wasn’t going to be good enough to make them happy? Although I was defiantly capable, I NEVER made straight A’s and, grade-wise, had a very mediocre senior year due largely to parental indifference.

So why don’t we all take a few moments and make the effort to mention the changes in these statistics and how encouraging they are to all the middle/high school kids we all know? Why don’t we tell them what a great job they’re doing for choosing not to participate in risky behaviors as often? Instead of just complaining and/or criticizing, why not recognize the youth of our state in a way that would make them want to work harder and say “no” even more often. You know: “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.”

belle517

And in the time it took me to type my previous post, submit and refresh Dolphind3 has chimed in again basing his/her “research” on talking to some, admittedly, less than honest teenagers. The really hilarious thing about this “research” is that he/she thinks that even though they are willing to admit they are LIARS he/she is blindly willing to accept what they tell him/her is the truth, and use it to back up his argument! So, because you, dolphind3, and the people you know are a bunch of liars (the kids you talked to now AND, by your own words, most that you knew in high school – what a “nice” circle of friends you must have had) we should all believe the propaganda that you spew on this subject. Whether pro MM or legalization in general, its people like you getting caught in their lies that will inadvertently end up being the catalyst that causes marijuana to be legalized. All of you that insist on using fear tactics and trying to intimidate people by telling lies, like dolphind3, Jeff Essmann and Cherie Brady are going to end up causing what you fear the most. Keep talking, your ideas on this subject already have “one foot in the grave” go ahead and bury yourselves with your continued lies and fear mongering.

Riamh
Riamh

[quote]dolphind3 said: "@Jvh, Well your wrong again. I did a little researching talking to some teenagers that took the survey. They admitted to being less than honest for reasons ranging from not wanting to mess up college to their parents finding out. Guess what....alot of them did things that were in the survey including your precious pot. I mentioned that it was anonymous and they said not worth the risk. So that proves my point. You can believe what you want(you will anyway). These are never exact surveys. Hell we took these surveys in highschool and most I knew lied too.@ Riam, no sir or lady or what ever you are. You try to intimidate by calling names. I am glad that there is a place for you pro pot people to come vent as there is no way you would talk to people like this to their faces. I say pot because most of you have moved beyond the MM arguement straight to total legalization. There are stats all over the net to credit both sides of the arguement that have validity. I am not going to sit here and say that all of the things that support MM are lies, they are not. But the crap out there that spouts that pot is a benign plant and has no long term problems is a lot of who shot John."[/quote]

Awwwww Dolphind3, you find my labeling your hypocrisy and bigotry intimidating? I am really sorry you feel that way. If your only case for my "spreading fear" and "intimidating" is because I have labeled your behavior as hypocrisy, and your subjective rants as bigoted. Well I guess you just fear logical arguments, and presented fact, along with observation, and opinion. I've done nothing more than confront you with the truth of the situation. Try opening up your mind? stop believing lies, and stop trying to inflict stigma on whoever doesn't agree with you. These are the only problems I have with you. It was your own venom and bigotry that raised my ire towards you in the first place.

Riamh
Riamh

[quote]belle517 said: "And in the time it took me to type my previous post, submit and refresh Dolphind3 has chimed in again basing his/her “research” on talking to some, admittedly, less than honest teenagers. The really hilarious thing about this “research” is that he/she thinks that even though they are willing to admit they are LIARS he/she is blindly willing to accept what they tell him/her is the truth, and use it to back up his argument! So, because you, dolphind3, and the people you know are a bunch of liars (the kids you talked to now AND, by your own words, most that you knew in high school – what a “nice” circle of friends you must have had) we should all believe the propaganda that you spew on this subject. Whether pro MM or legalization in general, its people like you getting caught in their lies that will inadvertently end up being the catalyst that causes marijuana to be legalized. All of you that insist on using fear tactics and trying to intimidate people by telling lies, like dolphind3, Jeff Essmann and Cherie Brady are going to end up causing what you fear the most. Keep talking, your ideas on this subject already have “one foot in the grave” go ahead and bury yourselves with your continued lies and fear mongering."[/quote]

Thank you very much for articulating (very eloquently I might add) what I have been attempting to communicate for quite a while! I appreciate your objective analysis of the posts here. Dolphind3 has been one of the most venomous posters with regard to any cannabis Article. I've been fending off personal attacks from this guy for months now, as have others. His reasoning is flawed, and entirely subjective. As you've pointed out, his "sources" of information are dishonest kids, dishonest crusaders, and dishonest politicians. I've called him on the carpet for thinking it's morally ok to use alcohol(a dangerous, addictive and deadly drug) for recreation, but when Cannabis(benign by comparison) is used for similar purposes, he says that is morally wrong. That's hypocritical IMHO.

Then, Dolphind3, who isn't qualified to diagnose anyone with anything, blindly diagnosed people he's never met, as "addicts". He's labeled VALID medical patients with names like "potheads", "druggies", "stoners".. all labels designed to inflict social stigma. I've seen him use those same bigoted labels on people who don't use, they just simply believe that Americans don't need a nanny state. I took exception to these things, and stood up to Dolphind3 and some of his cronies). I confronted his lies with facts, confronted his ideology as hypocritical, and confronted his attacks as bigoted. I guess some people just can't handle it when their lies are exposed. Dolphind3 has spewed plenty of propaganda in these forums. His hostility has run off other posters. I just want to thank you Belle517, for seeing this person's crusade for what it is! I think Bug's first post on this discussion was spot on the money right, and so are yours!

Riamh
Riamh

[quote]JVH77 said: "I was all set to make a triumphant return to disproving the misinformation perpetrated by our legislators and a select few fellow posters, but as it turns out there doesn't seem to be any need."[/quote]

Perhaps no need, but you know your comments will find some open eyes, and open minds.


belle517

Riamh: I used to chime in more on the cannabis stories but I got sick of Dolphind3's never-ending spiels of BS on this subject (and a few other people too), it’s really like talking to a brick wall. I agree with everything you've said and applaud you for continuing to try and talk some sense into the people like dolphind3 who are stuck like a broken record on the whole ”it’s illegal” argument. I have, on numerous occasions, tried and tried to get those close-minded people to realize that their beloved, and more dangerous, alcohol was once illegal too. But they just don’t seem to understand that fear mongering and religious zealots trying to impose their morals on the masses was what brought about alcohol prohibition long ago and also played a good part in cannabis prohibition too (Of course there was also a lot of corporate greed and political reasons behind cannabis prohibition too). And just like alcohol prohibition was doomed to failure so is cannabis prohibition, it’s just taking a little longer for the general public to realize that they’ve been lied to for generations and there is no basis for the “reefer madness” lies they’ve been inundated with throughout their lives. For that matter, I’m of the mindset that if you’re an adult and it doesn’t affect anyone else AND you don’t get behind the wheel of a car, boat, etc. I don’t care if you smoke/eat cannabis, or use any other drug, cocaine, meth, speed, crack, crank, prescriptions or whatever. I figure survival of the fittest would weed out the weaker genetics quite efficiently if we just stopped playing nanny and let adults truly be free to do whatever they want. And who knows maybe the overall human gene pool would be vastly improved if we did.

JVH77

Well dolphin, I can't argue with that. I'm sure some kids weren't 100% honest on this poll. Though I find it odd that any would lie on an anonymous poll yet be completely honest with you.

I don't know how many of the 4148 students polled you got a chance to talk with. Surely some of them didn't take it seriously or were paranoid enough of a handwriting analysis to lie. But to me, it's still a pretty solid indicator pot use among high school students hasn't changed much since I was there. Obviously you don't agree.

dietz1963

I like surveys such as this projecting percentages. There must be over 14,000 high school students in Montana, 4000 of these were polled so about 25%. Thats a good guage? Kind of like CNN polls of 1000 folks representing 200 million voters as far percentages of what we think about a subject as a whole. I love it!

whateverusay

It says on the front page of the survey "THE RESULTS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL MONTANA HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN GRADES 9-12." I imagine if about the same number of students were surveyed from 1999 through 2011, you'd have about the same percentage of liars year after year. If that's the case, it still would reflect fairly accurately the decrease in drug use among Montana teens.

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